Thinking of buying a Cummins...

[ramthis9501]

3rd gen or 4th gen?

[myoung84]

I am starting to talk myself out of a Cummins... I really don't need a diesel and the more I think about it the more I don't want to deal with all the DPF/Emissions bullshit. I would have to buy a used truck because I don't want to spend $50k+ on a brand new CTD. Something in the $35-40k range is where I want to be. With a Cummins, I would definitely be modding it and as soon as I do a all the emissions deletes, my warranty is long gone.

I have done some rough math and figure that my company car will save me about 12-15k miles per year on the truck, mostly back and forth to work and running around town. Since I normally average about 25k per year I am at roughly 12k per year on the truck.

The truck will be used for mostly long trips, hauling and towing the boat. My main consideration for the Cummins was of course towing. I had originally thought I would save a lot of money due to fuel costs, so I did the math and broke it down. Assuming I am running empty about 6000 miles a year and towing about 6000 miles a year and gas is at $3.25 and diesel is at $4.00. I was very shocked at the actual numbers.

Towing 6000 miles per year: I get about 10 MPG while towing in the gasser and I would estimate 15 MPG in a diesel. So throughout the year I would spend $1950 in gas and $1600 in diesel. That's a savings of $350 per year.

Running empty 6000 miles per year: I'll give myself an estimate of 16 MPG in the gasser and 17 MPG in the diesel. Over a 6000 mile span I would spend $1218 in gas and $1411 in diesel. The gas is cheaper to drive by about $193 per year.

So if you break it down, a savings of $350 a year while towing and an added expense of $193 running empty, I would save about $157 per year in fuel... To me, the added troubles of owning a CTD (extra maintenance cost, DPF shit, warranty problems due to mods) is just not worth it for me. If I were dragging around a 34' 5th wheel it would be different, but I am towing a whopping 5k lbs... There are no campers or heavy trailer in my future. If that time comes, I'll reconsider the CTD option.

Now on to my new plans. I still want a new 4x4 truck and I am now considering a new 2012 2500 Hemi 4x4 with the new 6 speed and 4.10 gears. My MPG claims above should be about the same, especially with the new 6 speed. I would still plan to give it a mild lift and good tires, nothing too crazy though. I built a brand new Outdoorsman and came to about $43k sticker price. If I found the right dealer to custom order me a truck, I could probably get this one for around $36-38k. From what I have found, a used CTD with around 40-50k miles is going to run me about $40k.

What this gets me is a new truck with a much better transmission and 4WD. I could do a 1/2 ton option but the cost difference is minimal and I like the fact that the 3/4 ton has a full size short bed. I would also get the bench seat without the console.

[EXSAILORwithaHEMI]

Yeah, CTD's are nice but if a gasser will accomplish all the tasks you'll throw at it then 9 times out of 10 you're better off. Diesels have some serious operational and maintenance costs... I was wanting a diesel originally too and I have NO need for one. For me it was just the idea you could put a 1/2 million miles on a truck and it still runs like a top is pretty appealing to me...

[Matt]

only reasons i'm going with a cummins are 1 i'm wanting a mega cab and the hemi's are terrible on fuel mileage 2 i plan on lifting it and putting bigger tires on it and once you do that your mileage is SHOT on a hemi but barely a difference in a cummins

[myoung84]

I'm still about 50/50...

[ramthis9501]

With the cummins you can do intake, exhaust and programmer and it'll have ridiculous amounts of power while getting better mileage then the hemi.

[myoung84]

OK, I have decided what I am going to do. I am going to custom order a 2012 monotone Outdoorsman 2500, 4x4 with a Hemi. I will never work the CTD like it should be worked and the Hemi has plenty of power for what I need. I also really like the responsiveness of the gas engine and from everything I have read, the new 66RFE trans is pretty nice. I have built the truck online and have a sticker price of $45,330. I plan on taking this printout into my local dealer and telling them I want to order this truck and will pay this amount for it (probably about $8k off sticker). An interesting note according to the RamTrucks website is there are 89 dealers within 200 miles of my. I'm sure one of them would love to have my business...

Now the only choice I have is color. I was dead set on white until I saw the new True Blue last week. It's pretty dark and looks awesome in the sun. I am still leaning towards white though. I think the new plasti-dip gloss in white would be awesome over the chrome bumpers...

[BMRbrnSNRbrd]

True Blue dude, that's awesome.

[(S.M.R) 101]

yeah that blue looks pretty sick dude

[ramthis9501]

Blue does look pretty cool